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#1 Re: Multiwfn and wavefunction analysis » Miscellaneous questions on TDDFT/electron-hole analysis » 2025-11-09 08:46:46

question 8: From what I understood your comments, in the figure that I attached (green: non-excited PES, orange: excited PES), is it correct that calculating accurate relative Gibbs free energies of all 6 points under the same calculation level is not feasible?
  Especially because, for my specific molecule, the CT state of interest is assigned as the 2nd excited state when calculated with wB97XD, but is correctly (I think) assigned as the 1st excited state only when the w-tuned LC-wPBE is used.

conical.png

question 9: Also related to question 8, if I optimize the MECI structure with CASSCF, is it possible to calculate its delta G relative to other states on the reaction path calculated by DFT methods?

Additional question about Q9: As I explained above, the CT state of my molecule is assigned differently depending on the functional. So I'm not confident that CASSCF will assign the CT state as the 1st excited state. Then, should I increase the number of electrons and orbitals in the active space to be safe?

Additional question (new): I would think that state-specific solvation of the vertical excitation state will affect vibrational frequencies differently (in principle) from the linear response. Can I do excited state freq calculation under this exact state-specific environment? Perhaps do TD=read from the state-specific solvated TD calculation chk?

#2 Re: Multiwfn and wavefunction analysis » Miscellaneous questions on TDDFT/electron-hole analysis » 2025-11-08 13:03:43

About question 1: To be more specific, after TD optimization is complete, and then if I want to run single-point calculation of the excited state to obtain total Gibbs free energy (following the procedure you suggested for the question 7), would you recommend DFT-D3(BJ) for the functionals I mentioned?

  About question 5: Just like question 1, for single-point calculation of the optimized excited state, SMD is preferred, right?

  About question 8: I guess the question was not specifically about CAM-B3LYP. For example, I could use LC-wPBE with w-tuning specific to the structure of B*. In this case, I thought that the specifically tuned LC-wPBE is probably not adequate for calculation of other ground states and transition states in the whole reaction path (which could be 10~20 steps), compared to more general functionals such as PBE0-D3(BJ) or B3LYP-D3(BJ). Is it okay to use a more general functional for non-excited states and compare their free energies with the free energy of B* calculated by tuned LC-wPBE?

  About question 9: I do have knowledge on conical intersections, although not an expert. My guess is perform relaxed scans (from the structure of B* to C) with 1) standard and 2) TD settings, and find out a scan point where the two energies are most similar? Could you let me know if there is a better, or a more appropriate, procedure?

#3 Multiwfn and wavefunction analysis » Miscellaneous questions on TDDFT/electron-hole analysis » 2025-11-07 03:48:11

wham09
Replies: 5

Dear Prof. Lu,

I hope to get help with several questions on TDDFT calculation for electron-hole analysis.

1. For TDDFT, whether the functional is PBE0, LC-wPBE, CAM-B3LYP, or wB97XD, would you generally recommend DFT-D3(BJ)?

2. Is LC-wHPBE really superior to LC-wPBE as Gaussian advertises?

3. Can the same w-tuning procedure be applied whether the ground-state is singlet, doublet, or triplet, and whether it is neutral, anionic, or cationic?

4. Can electron excitation and a bond-formation or bond-cleavage reaction be concerted? Can it be calculated?

5. Is it more recommended (or not recommended) to do TD calculations with SMD rather than PCM?

6. For excited state optimization, can I just use nosymm keyword and skip the manual arbitrary breaking of symmetry?

7. For calculation of total Gibbs energy of an optimized excited state, please check if what I describe below seems correct:
  1) ES optimization (with GS checkpoint file available):
    wB97XD/def2-SVP   TD(Nstates=5, Root=2)   Opt   SCRF=solvent=dimethylsulfoxide   geom=modify   ...   geometry modification
  2) Take the structure and .chk file from 1). Run freq calculation:
    wB97XD/def2-SVP   TD(read, Nstates=5, Root=2)   Freq   SCRF=solvent=dimethylsulfoxide   guess=read
  3) Take the structure and .chk file from 1). Run SP calculation (gas-phase):
    wB97XD/def2-TZVP   TD(Nstates=5, Root=2)   guess=read
  4) Take the structure and .chk file from 1). Run SP calculation (gas-phase):
    M052X/6-31G*   TD(Nstates=5, Root=2)   guess=read
  5) Take the structure and .chk file from 1). Run SP calculation (solution-phase):
    M052X/6-31G*   TD(Nstates=5, Root=2)   SCRF=solvent=dimethylsulfoxide   guess=read
  6) Calculate E = E(step 3) + E(step 5) - E(step 4). Put it into Shermo and use .out file from step 2. Get thermal correction.

8. Suppose I have a reaction pathway A -> TS-1 -> B -> B* -> TS-2 -> C. The excited state B* is a charge-transfer state, for which I would want to use a long-range-corrected functional, such as CAM-B3LYP. But CAM-B3LYP would be less appropriate for calculation of other states A, B, TS-1, and TS-2. But then, for reaction coordinate energy calculations, shouldn't the functional be consistently used for every molecule from A to C?

9. For the TS-2 between B* and C in the question 8, am I looking for "excited state of transition state"? I don't know how to think about it.

#4 Multiwfn and wavefunction analysis » Electron excitation analysis of radicals » 2025-11-06 09:24:51

wham09
Replies: 1

Dear Prof. Lu,

I am trying to study excitation of a doublet radical. There are some problems in using Multiwfn to analyze this problem, such as:
1) In the summary of excited states, all the [Multi.]'s are shown as "?" like below:
    State:    1    Exc. Energy:   2.852 eV   Multi.: ?    MO pairs:   42461
2) Atom contribution to hole and electron results looks like this:
    1(C )  Hole: 10.10 %  Electron:   NaN %  Overlap:  0.00 %  Diff.:    NaN %
3) IFCT (Hirshfeld) results are strange. For example, the results for S2 state seem fine, but the results for S1 state are full with "NaN"s.

The input lines I used for TDDFT are as below:
%chk=[checkpoint from ground-state opt calculation using PBE0-D3(BJ)/ma-SVP]
#p scf=(maxcycle=300) scrf=(solvent=dimethylsulfoxide) uwB97XD/gen TD(nstates=5) iop(9/40=4) guess=read nosymm

[Title]

0 2
[optimized geometry]

[ma-TZVP basis functions]

I'd be grateful if you could tell what the problem is.

#5 Re: Multiwfn and wavefunction analysis » Clarifications on diffuse functions for multiwfn » 2025-11-05 08:14:13

About the additional question, sorry about the confusion. What I meant is as below:
My molecule is an ion-pair complex, consisting of a cation and an anion close together (total charge=0). The inter-fragment interaction between the cationic and the anionic counterparts is the primary interest. At the same time, the cationic and anionic charges in the two fragments are delocalized enough so that none of the individual atoms (in the structure of the ion-pair complex) are significantly negatively charged (ADCH charges of all atoms more positive than -0.5).

#6 Re: Multiwfn and wavefunction analysis » Clarifications on diffuse functions for multiwfn » 2025-11-03 07:37:03

Thank you very much for the clarification. I have a follow-up question for just #4:
  My situation is as following:
   1) The ion-pairing is important in my molecule. I want to study the interaction between the cationic and anionic counterparts.
   2) One atom (out of total 70~80 atoms) is significantly negatively charged (calc. level: PBE0-D3(BJ) / ma-TZVP or def2-TZVP)
  In the multiwfn manual on ETS-NOCV, it says “If there is no special reason, using diffuse functions is deprecated.” Does my situation fit into the “special reason”? Is ETS-NOCV absolutely meaningless when ma-TZVP is used?

Additional question: What if the ion-pairing is important, but there is no atom that is significantly negatively charged?

#7 Multiwfn and wavefunction analysis » Clarifications on diffuse functions for multiwfn » 2025-10-30 01:39:13

wham09
Replies: 5

Dear Prof. Lu,

I’d be really grateful if I could get additional clarifications on dealing with diffuse functions (and some additional questions on ZPE correction)

  1. If I use the complete set of ma-def2 series that you provided, how should I cite it when I publish?

  2. If the net charge of my molecule is overall -1, but each atom is not significantly negatively charged (ADCH charge > -0.5), diffuse functions are not required. Correct?

  3. In my reaction A + B -> [A-B], some atoms in the product [A-B] are significantly negatively charged, but not in the reactant forms (A and B). For the sake of reaction energy calculation, should these atoms be calculated using diffuse functions for both reactant (A and B) and product ([A-B]) calculations?

  4. A molecule is overall neutral, and there is no atom with a significant negative charge. But it is a tight ion-pair, in which the cation and anion counterparts are electrostatically bound and deform each other's structure. The binding is strong, but it is still non-covalent. Should diffuse functions be widely used?

  5. When using Shermo for a solute, the sophisticated way of input for Shermo setting is:
E = E(gas, high-level basis set) + [E(SMD, M05-2X/6-31G*) - E(gas, M05-2X/6-31G*)] + 1.89 kcal/mol.
  Am I correct?

  6. When I do opt-freq calculations using SCRF(IEFPCM), the ZPE values are, not surprisingly, different from the values from gas-phase optimization. This will be same for the molecules in F38/10 database used to obtain the scale factor. Then, shouldn't the ZPE scale factor become different?

  7. For wavefunction analysis of a solute, it is recommended to calculate with high-level basis set & SMD. But at the same time, for the calculation of the solute's solvation energy, the same structure should be calculated with M05-2X/6-31G*. Am I correct?

#8 Re: Multiwfn and wavefunction analysis » Definition of “compatibility” with diffuse functions » 2025-10-28 04:54:48

1. What is the bar for significantly negatively charged atom? mulliken or nbo charge? For example, the atom with the most negative nbo charge in my molecule has nbo charge of -0.59.
2. Would it work to use def2-TZVPD for only the significantly negatively charged atom and def2-TZVP for the rest?
3. If the molecule is overall neutral, but contains an atom that is significantly negatively charged, should diffuse functions be used?
4. If I use def2-TZVPD for only one atom in a molecule with total 14 atoms, would the output be incompatible with wavefunction analysis?

#9 Re: Multiwfn and wavefunction analysis » Definition of “compatibility” with diffuse functions » 2025-10-28 04:23:38

Would you also agree with “it retains the merit of diffuse basis sets for calculation of, for example, anions”?

#10 Re: Multiwfn and wavefunction analysis » Definition of “compatibility” with diffuse functions » 2025-10-28 04:00:47

I see. Then, would it be correct to state that def2-TZVP can be used for Multiwfn functions that are incompatible with diffuse functions, but it retains the merit of diffuse basis sets for calculation of, for example, anions?

#11 Multiwfn and wavefunction analysis » Definition of “compatibility” with diffuse functions » 2025-10-28 02:19:10

wham09
Replies: 7

Dear Prof. Lu,

  I know that many functions of Multiwfn are incompatible with diffuse functions. But I’m confused with the definition of diffuse functions.
  What I attached here is the basis set information for the same atom (boron) in the same molecule, left one using 6-311+g** and right one using def2-TZVP.
  Although 6-311+g** is said to have diffuse functions (and def2-TZVP does not), the def2-TXVP setting also contains a S-type function with an exponent smaller than 0.1 (the last S-type in the right figure, exponent=0.06056). Also, the def2-TZVP setting contains an additional D-type function (exponent=0.199) that is more “diffuse” than the sole D-type function in the 6-311+g** setting (exponent=0.401).
  So, what is the exact standard for calling a basis set diffuse or not?
IMG-5723.png

#12 Re: Quantum Chemistry » Frequency correction » 2025-10-26 21:52:54

sobereva wrote:
wham09 wrote:

Dear Prof. Lu,

The Shermo code utilizes frequency scale factors for ZPE, U(T)-U(0), S, and CV. I can find the scale factors for ZPE in the literature, but the other three factors are rarely documented (especially, I could not find the factors for CV). So I'd like to ask if the following routine would work.

1. Fit the fundamental frequency factor for my functional/basis set using a database (F38/10 for example).
2. Run a opt-freq calculation for my molecule, and tabulate the computed harmonic frequencies.
3. Multiply the computed frequencies by the fitted fundamental frequency factor.
4. Put the results as the custom frequencies into a new freq calculation input with freq=(ReadFC, ReadIsotopes) keyword. (Or use scale keyword)
5. Use the output of the new freq calculation as the input file for Shermo, with the following settings:
  5-1. sclZPE, sclheat, sclS, sclCV = 1.0
  5-2. ilowfreq = 2 or 3

Only ZPE scale factor is relatively important, you can simply set other factors to 1.

Thank you for the reply. As I said, I do understand that, but I just wanted to know if what I described would do the same thing as putting all scl values into Shermo?

#13 Re: Multiwfn and wavefunction analysis » Help with understanding results of Shubin Liu's EDA » 2025-10-25 16:36:31

Thank you for the clarification.

1. For sobEDAw, is it okay to use SDD (in combination with 6-31+G** or 6-311+G**)? I couldn't find any sobEDAw example in your paper and tutorial that deals with transition metals.
2. For both sobEDA and sobEDAw (actually, for any calculation), if I decided to use def2- family, would you recommend using a mixed basis set with SDD for TM-complex? Or use the def2- basis set solely?
3. If I want to do sobEDA or sobEDAw analysis using TPSSh/def2-TZVP, should I do the initial geometry optimization also using TPSSh/def2-family? I guess this question is also relevant to any calculation.

#14 Re: Quantum Chemistry » Frequency correction » 2025-10-25 09:45:27

Additional questions:

1. I understand that unlike sclZPE, other scale factors are normally close to unity. But I still want to understand how they're derived. From what I read in Moran/Radom paper (doi/10.1021/jp073974n), sclheat and sclS cannot be obtained by simply fitting U_calc and U_exp (or S_calc and S_exp) linearly. Am I correct?

2. Can I get any reference where the scale factors for CV are derived? I could never find it.

3. I tried fitting the frequency scale factor myself. For some of the molecules in F38/10 set, the degenerate frequencies appeared to be different from each other. For example, the frequencies corresponding to the 3rd mode (pi_u symmetry) of CO2 are 646.6657 and 646.6429 in my calculation output. Did I do something wrong? Or should I just average them?

4. If what I want at the end is G(sol), should I put into Shermo the E value from SCRF calculation, rather than gas-phase single-point?

#15 Quantum Chemistry » Frequency correction » 2025-10-25 02:32:37

wham09
Replies: 4

Dear Prof. Lu,

The Shermo code utilizes frequency scale factors for ZPE, U(T)-U(0), S, and CV. I can find the scale factors for ZPE in the literature, but the other three factors are rarely documented (especially, I could not find the factors for CV). So I'd like to ask if the following routine would work.

1. Fit the fundamental frequency factor for my functional/basis set using a database (F38/10 for example).
2. Run a opt-freq calculation for my molecule, and tabulate the computed harmonic frequencies.
3. Multiply the computed frequencies by the fitted fundamental frequency factor.
4. Put the results as the custom frequencies into a new freq calculation input with freq=(ReadFC, ReadIsotopes) keyword. (Or use scale keyword)
5. Use the output of the new freq calculation as the input file for Shermo, with the following settings:
  5-1. sclZPE, sclheat, sclS, sclCV = 1.0
  5-2. ilowfreq = 2 or 3

#16 Re: Multiwfn and wavefunction analysis » Help with understanding results of Shubin Liu's EDA » 2025-10-23 03:49:36

I'm a little confused because in the 5 template.gjf files,
The templates for b3lyp, blyp, TPSSTPSS:   Do not contain the iop keyword.
The template for BHandHLYP contains:   IOp(3/174=1000000,3/175=1035400,3/177=279300,3/178=4961500)
The template for TPSSh contains:   IOp(3/174=1000000,3/175=2238200,3/177=452900,3/178=4655000)

So, are these options specific to each functional? or a combination of functional/basis set?

#17 Re: Multiwfn and wavefunction analysis » Help with understanding results of Shubin Liu's EDA » 2025-10-22 07:53:36

Just an additional technical question about sobEDA:
  I noticed that among the sobEDA tutorials, the template gjf files for metal-containing systems (chromium alkylidene and copper/H2O) contain an additional keyword IOp(3/174=1000000,3/175=2238200,3/177=452900,3/178=4655000), which I believe is additional dispersion adjustment. Should this keyword (with these exact numbers) be applied to any organometallic species?

#18 Re: Multiwfn and wavefunction analysis » Help with understanding results of Shubin Liu's EDA » 2025-10-21 10:50:47

1. I looked into the sobEDA script file and concluded that the best option for me is using Multiwfn only to combine wavefunctions of fragments and generate promolecular & frozen input files, then run g16 jobs, and then tabulate the results in the l608 section myself. Could you confirm that this will work?

2. I now understand what you mean. Thank you very much!

#19 Re: Multiwfn and wavefunction analysis » Help with understanding results of Shubin Liu's EDA » 2025-10-19 20:01:22

Thank you for the reply.

1. I actually really wanted to try sobEDA, but I only have access to g16 in a remote server, where I'm not allowed to install Multiwfn. Is there a way to run sobEDA in this situation? If not, can I get any insight on how to interpret E_steric and E_quantum in the EDA-SBL framework?

2. I understand that EDA-SBL and ETS-NOCV are very different, but I thought that E_T, E_J, E_Nuc, E_V, E_xc, etc. are general terms in DFT. Then, shouldn't the NOCV stabilization energy have some correlation with a certain general energy component of the whole system?

#20 Multiwfn and wavefunction analysis » Help with understanding results of Shubin Liu's EDA » 2025-10-19 07:38:34

wham09
Replies: 11

Dear Prof. Lu,

I have two questions about interpreting EDA-SBL results.

1. Since my background is mostly synthetic organic, I have a difficulty understanding the chemical meaning of Weiszacker energy (E_steric). From what I read in the manual, E_quantum is basically a Pauli repulsion term, so to me, E_steric and E_quantum seem to be both steric hindrance terms. What is the difference of E_steric and E_quantum in terms of chemical meaning (structure and/or reactivity)?

2. From ETS-NOCV analysis, we can get stabilization energy of each NOCV pair. Can this stabilization energy be categorized as one of the EDA-SBL terms (E_steric, E_electrostatic, or E_quantum)?

#22 Multiwfn and wavefunction analysis » Animating electronic structure (+ additional general question) » 2025-10-17 11:17:12

wham09
Replies: 2

Dear Prof. Lu,

I have one question specific to animating electronic structures, and another question that is more general.

1. I read your article (//www.umsyar.com/86) and am trying to do this myself on systems more complex than H2. I'd like to know how I can define the plane of interest, other than merely xy, yz, xz planes. For example, it would be useful if I can define a plane containing three atoms, just like some other functions of Multiwfn do.

2. Multiwfn functions mostly require wavefunction files that result from single-point calculations. I wonder if specifying a solvent (SCRF/SMD) for single-point calculation yields a wavefunction file that is more "real" than not specifying a solvent. Is there a general guideline for situations where specifying a solvent is recommended or not recommended?

#24 Re: Multiwfn and wavefunction analysis » Error termination of Multiwfn during Shubin Liu's EDA » 2025-10-10 06:25:53

Can you comment on the second input? I believe this one is exactly like the example in the manual. But the output from this input also caused the crash.

#25 Re: Multiwfn and wavefunction analysis » Error termination of Multiwfn during Shubin Liu's EDA » 2025-10-09 14:35:20

The output lines while Gaussian entered L608 typically look like below:

(Enter /****/g09/l608.exe)
A total of   0 models will be applied.

Results using SCF density:
FoFJK:  IHMeth= 0 ICntrl=     500 DoSepK=F KAlg= 0 I1Cent=   0 FoldK=F
IRaf=         0 NMat=   1 IRICut=       1 DoRegI=T DoRafI=F ISym2E= 0.
FoFCou: FMM=F IPFlag=           0 FMFlag=           0 FMFlg1=           0
         NFxFlg=           0 DoJE=F BraDBF=F KetDBF=F FulRan=T
         wScrn=  0.000000 ICntrl=     500 IOpCl=  1 I1Cent=           0 NGrid=           0
         NMat0=    1 NMatS0=      1 NMatT0=    0 NMatD0=    1 NMtDS0=    0 NMtDT0=    0
Symmetry not used in FoFCou.
ET=  632.554426 EV=-2900.409564 EJ= 1019.606524 EK=  -79.090375 ENuc=  695.863243
Leave Link  608 at Thu Oct  9 21:43:40 2025, MaxMem=  2147483648 cpu:        24.8

#26 Re: Multiwfn and wavefunction analysis » Error termination of Multiwfn during Shubin Liu's EDA » 2025-10-09 14:29:23

I tried the following two input lines, and in both cases error termination happened.

[Input 1]
%nprocshared=2
%mem=16GB
%chk=filename.chk
#p scf=(maxcycle=300) sp pop=(nbo, full) M06/6-311+G** ExtraLinks=L608 nosym int=ultrafine

filename

charge multipl
coordinates

-54


[Input 2]
%nprocshared=1
%mem=16GB
%chk=filename.chk
# M06/6-311+G** ExtraLinks=L608

filename

charge multipl
coordinates

-54

#27 Multiwfn and wavefunction analysis » Error termination of Multiwfn during Shubin Liu's EDA » 2025-10-09 13:50:31

wham09
Replies: 7

Dear all,

I loaded my .fch file to Multiwfn, chose option 21 / suboption 2 for Shubin Liu's EDA, then loaded my .out file (with ExtraLinks=L608 input). Then I saw the error message (I uploaded the screenshot file) then the Multiwfn immediately terminated.

error-message.png

What should I do?

#28 Multiwfn and wavefunction analysis » Questions for EDA-FF analysis » 2025-10-09 09:19:14

wham09
Replies: 1

Dear all,

I have two questions about EDA-FF analysis.

1. I'm having a trouble constructing molecule type files. For certain elements (in my case, boron, phosphorus, and palladium) I cannot find the corresponding AMBER or GAFF types. These only appear as "?" in gaussview.

2. For atomic charges, are there any selection criteria for CHELPG versus MK charges?

Thank you very much in advance.

#30 Multiwfn and wavefunction analysis » Help with bond order analysis » 2025-10-01 08:30:21

wham09
Replies: 1

Dear all,

I have a few questions regarding Multiwfn's bond order analysis.

1. From what I read in the manual, the Wiberg bond order analysis seems to work well with diffuse functions. Am I correct?

2. Is the Laplacian bond order analysis sensitive to diffuse functions?

3. Is the Laplacian bond order analysis appropriate for carbon-boron bonds, where the boron atom is tetracoordinate, anionic boron-ate? An example would be alkyl trifluoroborate salt.

4. Is the Laplacian bond order analysis appropriate for carbon-palladium bonds?

Thank you very much in advance.

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